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  Big Lesson Why AAWA's Initial Woes Should Be Our Biggest Strength

  by Scott77 in

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  Black Sheep

  The best things I ever did were because I knew I had been wrong

  Waves to Tal
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  Constructive feedback for AAWA leadership (IMHO)

  by besty in

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  2. scandals

  1 - reconsider your existence - there might be a reason why the most effective resources to date have been solo efforts.

  2 - recognize that even well-intentioned organizations will firstly seek self-preservation.

  3 - be aware that egos and emotional stupidity have torn apart much grander edifices than aawa.

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  Black Sheep

  It's down now again! This is really strange.

  Being down at all is really strange. You don't have to abandon your current website to be able to redesign your next one.
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  I have a question for born agains and jws. When Jesus ask Jehovah to forgive the men who killed him are they in heaven?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this question gets people defensive because they have to question they own belief system.

  born agains and jws always claim to follow the bible 100% but when this question comes up i always get silence from both groups.

  because in the bible jesus says whatever he ask the father i will be granted.

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  Black Sheep

  Correct me if I am wrong about this (JW version of Trinity).

  You are not wrong. JWs having been bashing Trinitarians on the basis of a doctrine that Trinitarians don't subscribe to for decades.

  Christian churches that have lost members to JWs are guilty of not educating their congregations in their own doctrines. I know many ex-christians that never knew what their church taught about the Trinity, and have joined the WT church without realising their mistake.
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  Did I plant a seed ?

  by Phizzy in

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  2. friends

  i met a bro and his wife in a local store at the weekend, i didn't get much of a chance to say anything to make him think, so i looked back on the conversation as an epic fail on my part.. but thinking about what i said, one bit may stick, we were talking about the old days and how thirty or forty years ago the smallish congregations as they were then had a "family" feel about them, he then remarked about the "wonderful expansion" over the years, so i said "yes, but i would think here in the west they are now stagnating".

  he agreed, so i said "the trouble is today that if anyone is thinking of doing anything life changing they google it first".. we then talked of other things, but i wonder if that may spur him on to google the jw's and see what is said ?.

  i do hope so..

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  Black Sheep

  Baby steps.

  You got a thought in without frightening him off YOU. Nice.

  softly softly catchy monkey
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  Born-ins... Did your parents let you watch the 1960's children's animated series "Davey and Goliath"?

  by Calebs Airplane in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my parents used to let us watch this series growing up.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wei5oek53h8&list=plsg87pnp-rju50meptced92tlyyym7wir.

  ... until one day they noticed it was actually a production from the evangelical lutheran church of america... .

  then, it became prohibited.... the only explanation they provided us thereafter was that this cartoon was made by satan and his demons.. .

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  Black Sheep

  People with TV were weak in the faith in the 60s in NZ. If D&G ever made it here, we were not the type of Dub that would ever watch that sort of thing. We were so Superdub that the Superdubs were threatened by our presence.
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  I have a question for born agains and jws. When Jesus ask Jehovah to forgive the men who killed him are they in heaven?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this question gets people defensive because they have to question they own belief system.

  born agains and jws always claim to follow the bible 100% but when this question comes up i always get silence from both groups.

  because in the bible jesus says whatever he ask the father i will be granted.

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  Black Sheep

  Jesus didn't ask Jehovah to forgive them.

  Quoting you .... "Father forgive them"

  Any evangelical worth his salt should know that "God the Father" does not = Jehovah, but they have not been taught how to explain this concept to someone convinced of JW theology.

  The 'Trinity' that JWs have been taught, is not taught by Trinitarians, or their favourite whipping boy the Catholic Church, and is not The Trinity at all, it is Modalism. The WT scammed you on this one .... don't let them get away with it.

  BTW, I believe man created gods .... all of them
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  Need help with possible Bone Marrow transplant

  by besunny in

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  2. medical

  good morning everyone,,i have a question i need help with.

  my parents are very active and faithful jw's,,my dad is an elder..my mother has become very ill over this winter and has declined greatly,,i'm trying to prepare myself for the worst,,anyway it's starting to look like she has luekemia and we will know shortly if that's what it is.my question is about bone marrow transplants,,i do not remember if this is an accectable treatment for jw's.

  i hope it is!!

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  Black Sheep

  Although JWs have died refusing transplants in the past, it is no longer an issue.
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  The JW life is good!

  by Julia Orwell in

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  for some people.

  i think of the old man who has no family and lives in a nursing home, and the only time he gets out is when he's picked up for the meetings.

  he lives solely for that.. or people who love routine and busy-ness, people who need to be led.. george orwell wrote that the party is best able to impose its worldview on those least likely to understand what it is that's being asked of them: orthodoxy is unconsciousness.. i believe a lot of jws swallow the party line and it passes through them unharmed, like a seed pooped out by a bird.

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  Black Sheep

  As long as they went looking I've done my job.
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  The JW life is good!

  by Julia Orwell in

  1. jw
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  for some people.

  i think of the old man who has no family and lives in a nursing home, and the only time he gets out is when he's picked up for the meetings.

  he lives solely for that.. or people who love routine and busy-ness, people who need to be led.. george orwell wrote that the party is best able to impose its worldview on those least likely to understand what it is that's being asked of them: orthodoxy is unconsciousness.. i believe a lot of jws swallow the party line and it passes through them unharmed, like a seed pooped out by a bird.

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  Black Sheep

  I recently had a JW say that they had a problem with the killer god killing good people and children, then switch to denying they taught that.

  I then challenged them to show me literature to back up their new position. They have made no effort to do that.
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  The JW life is good!

  by Julia Orwell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for some people.

  i think of the old man who has no family and lives in a nursing home, and the only time he gets out is when he's picked up for the meetings.

  he lives solely for that.. or people who love routine and busy-ness, people who need to be led.. george orwell wrote that the party is best able to impose its worldview on those least likely to understand what it is that's being asked of them: orthodoxy is unconsciousness.. i believe a lot of jws swallow the party line and it passes through them unharmed, like a seed pooped out by a bird.

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  Black Sheep

  Question #1 There is nothing on the list that wasn't available elsewhere.

  Question #2 The list is too long to bother starting.

  OCD is a good description of the behaviour of many of my JW family members. They live in a world of evil people that bust their asses looking after them in their old age and disease in return for having their babies killed at Armageddon because they didn't join their church.

  They are happy until they have to defend their nasty little killer god to someone who knows what they really teach inside the KH walls.